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    Anybody wants more of Zach should check out Chuck Loeb's "Balance". Smooth Jazz setting, very polished, great playing by Zach...throws in plenty of his 'stuff'...

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    Originally posted by cjbdrm:
    Anybody wants more of Zach should check out Chuck Loeb's "Balance". Smooth Jazz setting, very polished, great playing by Zach...throws in plenty of his 'stuff'...
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I love Zach's playing in that album. It's very difficult to find smooth jazz with such a brilliant performance on drums (and good tunes, too). Zach plays two superb drum solos there, full of complex linear phrases and things like that.

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    Doesn't hold a candle to Holdsworth? WTF? They're apples and organges. Krantz's CD is so much more interesting rhythmically than Holdsworth's. Alan's a great player. I love (the John McClaughlin) albmun 'live in Paris' w/Dennis Chambers, he reminds me of Holdsworth sometimes BUT if you want to hear what every guitar player SHOULD sound like, get Long to Be Loose or the live one at the 55 Bar. I've never felt more strongly about a guitarist. Krantz's ability to "superimpose" time over his solos is so unique that I'd say Holdsworth doesn't hold a candle to Krantz! In fact Alan doesn't even have the candle,lol, he's got one of those butane lighters that you have to annoyingly refill every other day and then you get tired of it and throw it away. Oh yeah, Krantz has the candle and he burns.

    <font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ February 07, 2005 12:20 AM: Message edited by: D.Seipel ]</font>

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    If you're going to rip on Allan, you should at least know which guitarist you're referring to.

    The Live in Paris with Dennis is a John McLaughlin album. [img]tongue.gif[/img]

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    Ha Ha...we're back on the forums!!

    I think Siepel was making a comparison of gtrsts, including JMcL - he just did it all in 1 thought [sentence], so that it sounded funny like that...altho i could be wrong [& presumptuous!] at any time about this stuff!...but I tend to give the BOTDoubt anyway... ;c)

    DEF get BOTH [eventually]. [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]

    Which one you get first is up to you... [img]cool.gif[/img]

    I have most of AH's CDs...all contain exemplary, no-holds-barred playing abillty...yes, there are indulgent solos of course, for sure, but that's not all the man can do...he has nice ethereal ballads AW [some grooved, some rubato]...

    It's very high-level stuff. AH has a very unique sound & legato playing style that a lot of great jazzers & fusionists have ref'd to as the "modern-day Coltrane of gtr." It is mostly instrumental fusion at it's most obvious & optimum [he has a vocal track or 3 out there]...

    I akin bagging on AH to bagging on VC, Weckl, Virg, Gadd, Husband, Bozzio, or Dennis... [img]graemlins/hmmm.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/sure.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/whatever.gif[/img]

    But I do also understand that regardless of how accopmlished, high-level & great someone's playing level may be, their "notey-ness" [amount of notes], & because of their note choices [esp jazz & fusion], some folks may be put off...it's cool.

    You have to be in the mood for AH. When I am, it burns it for me... ;c)

    <font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ February 06, 2005 04:17 PM: Message edited by: fuseU1 ]</font>

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    Balance, that's the one.

    About Allan Holdsworth. I don't see how you guys can bash him. He is one of the most ground breaking guitarists of our time.

    Wayne Krantz is no slouch either, but you can't put down Allan. I can't wait for Gary H to rip you a new one. [img]mad.gif[/img]

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    Ah I see Fuse, I think you're right. My mistake. [img]redface.gif[/img]

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    yer right, I wrote that half awake, when I got up today, After I take my head out of my ass, I'll take my foot out of my mouth right now. Please excuse me, I don't mean to sound like an ass, although it's a little late for that. My point is that I'm very passionate about WK, he's the only guitarist in a LONG time that's really made me take notice. I'll admit that I'm from the midwest and maybe my attitude or lack of variety in music-listening is a result of an upbringing surrounded by butt rock radio stations. I mean no disrespect and you're right derek, i shouldn't write checks my butt can't cash. I just really like Krantz and Danziger, that's all and if someone asks I'll endorse Krantz over anyone right now.

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    You didn't make a mistake per se, Derek. So no harm done!
    It's just I had to re-read it a couple of times to find that maybe it was just the way he worded it. [I had the same impression at first pass; it actually made me chuckle, until it dawned on me that there was another way to read it...pesky typed forums, whatcha gonna do [img]wink.gif[/img] ] You usually stay cool & never jump the gun, Big D, so you're allowed!! [img]wink.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img] [img]cool.gif[/img]

    Dan, you are right; Krantz IS cool, man [IMHO]. Besides, if you like it, then it's cool, regardless of how I or anyone else thinks. & like everyone else, you're entitled to your opin also, & I happen to agree w you that the Krantz stuff is also gooood stuff. So, no probs, mate. The two are just different bags, that's all. I find merit in both. [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img] [img]cool.gif[/img]
    Wayne Krantz is no slouch either, but you can't put down Allan. I can't wait for Gary H to rip you a new one
    <font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ha ha
    I think I've come to understand FT's razor-sharp humor here.
    Good one, FT. ;cP

    <font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ February 07, 2005 12:10 AM: Message edited by: fuseU1 ]</font>

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